Is there going to be alot of ebaying in guild wars? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Inde · Apr 07, 2005, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.

theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while

That is a silly argument and holds no water. If someone gleans pleasure out of somethign that 'does not exist' then let it be. There are quite a few things in life that are 'intangible', don't exist to most people, but are worth hard earned money and much a reason to live for.

And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money?

Passing judgement on people who do ebay in grandoise fashion is not cool.

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Inde

That is a silly argument and holds no water. If someone gleans pleasure out of somethign that 'does not exist' then let it be. There are quite a few things in life that are 'intangible', don't exist to most people, but are worth hard earned money and much a reason to live for.

And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money?

Passing judgement on people who do ebay in grandoise fashion is not cool.

bah plz dont bame me for starting this argument but i beg to differ

the use of ebay from tha start is wrong it gos agins the EULA( er what ever tha crap its called) so therefore it is your agument that holds no water.

so sorry for pissen of a person in charge hope your not too mad

Inde · Apr 07, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

So let me get this straight - the EULA to you is the gospel of right and wrong? Did you even read my post and try to understand why people eBay etc?

Sheesh.

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 05:00 AM // 05:00

yes i did read it or i wouldnt have replyed, no matter what the situation is it is still wrong if mis jane whats the sword she should have to work for it just like i would. i do think that you took my post too seriosly i didnt mean they should all face the axe just through that in 4 some humor. it doesnt matter what you or i think it is wrong

and yes i try and follow as many rules as i can

agin sorry if i made you mad

William of Orange · Apr 07, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

I'm going to agree with the people who say that the eBaying will occur, since there will definitely be a demand by those people who are too lazy to wait for good drops, or just want their loot now.

As for the whole "uber" talk, it all depends on playing style. Some people will have what the personally consider an "uber" sword, others might have an "uber" bow. Doesn't really matter, once you hit Level 20 what type of sword you have won't matter nearly as much as what build you're running/skills you're using.

While I don't agree with eBaying your way to good items, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive." If that's how they want to spend their money, that's how they can spend their money. Whether or not others see it as a waste is irrelevant. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on video games/systems, computer upgrades, and Pop Tarts, and there are always people who would consider that spending a waste. So lets not get engrossed in that debate.

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12

bah, i will agree that how people spend there money is there own buiseness, i will stand by my is wrong mind set however this argument is basicly two dif views, he wont convice me and i aint convicen him so ill just agree ta drop it

and sorry if i offended anyone with the "soulnd be alive" coment it was just my sorry ass atemped at making a funny

Lunarhound · Apr 07, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

I haven't read the full EULA so I don't know if anything about buying and selling in-game stuff is in there but if it is, that pretty much puts a lid on it, as far as I'm concerned. Whether you view a rule as "right" or "wrong" in is irrelevant. The EULA defines the game's rules and, as such, breaking them is cheating. I can argue all I want that not being able to touch the ball with my hands in soccer is "wrong" but my opinion on it doesn't change anything. You don't touch the ball in soccer because that's the way the game works. You don't bring real money into a virtual economy designed to revolve around virtual money for the same reason. The economy is just as much a part of the game as the battle system, and using real world resources in an attempt to get around it is cheating.

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Originally Posted by Inde

And then there is the counter argument of a 40 year old who has a husband [role reversal!] and two kids. No Ms. Jane could spend 5 hours trying to find the Lightsaber of Doom or, with her $50/hour job, spend $50 and simply buy it. What has more value here to Ms. Jane - her time and money?

Passing judgement on people who do ebay in grandoise fashion is not cool.

So, I suppose passing judgement on people who use hacks isn't cool either. If it's okay for someone to use outside resources (real world money) to dodge the limitations imposed by the game's economy because they have less time, then by the same token, it's okay for me to use outside resources (hacks) to dodge the limitations imposed by the game's combat system because I have less skill. Hacking and ebaying are two means to the same end: Attempting to circumvent parts of the game system that you find inconvenient. Cheating.

Yes, people are going to do it no matter what, just like they're going to devise cheat programs no matter what, but that doesn't make it okay.

BunnyMaster · Apr 07, 2005, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

use your money on somthing worth while

Like spending 50 USD (don't really know how much the game costs in USD, since I'm paying in UBER currency aka Euro

) for the game and maybe paying for the upgrades?

@Lunarhound:
I've been looking for some time now, but still haven't found the EULA/TOS for this game.

Cult_Of_One · Apr 07, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.

Sooo....you're buying the game right? Does anything in the game actually exist? Just checking, LOL

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Cult_Of_One

Sooo....you're buying the game right? Does anything in the game actually exist? Just checking, LOL

you are ignorant, yes i am buyen the hardware that is needed to play the game

i was gonna let sleeping dogs lie but thats just assinine

Cult_Of_One · Apr 07, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15

...spending hard earned money to buy a game that contains nothing that physically exists. Do you see where you've contradicted yourself yet?

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by BunnyMaster

Like spending 50 USD (don't really know how much the game costs in USD, since I'm paying in UBER currency aka Euro

) for the game and maybe paying for the upgrades?

@Lunarhound:
I've been looking for some time now, but still haven't found the EULA/TOS for this game.

i do see that as money well spent, and im not breaking any rules now am i

why are you looken for the EULA have you honestly seen 1 that alows ebay?

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Cult_Of_One

...spending hard earned money to buy a game that contains nothing that physically exists. Do you see where you've contradicted yourself yet?

no i am buying something i can hold in my hand where as if i go the ebay way i have nothing, stop and think before you post

KainMagus · Apr 07, 2005, 07:22 AM // 07:22

I want one or all of you to define existance. Just the fact that you can buy it on ebay causes it to exist. Satisfaction is a manifestation of existance. Hardly any of the weapons are uber like in other games, so if you want to piss actual cash on them knock yourself out. Why not pay somone else to play the game for you? It's a game and if you don't enjoy playing it then why bother?

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by KainMagus

I want one or all of you to define existance. Just the fact that you can buy it on ebay causes it to exist. Satisfaction is a manifestation of existance. Hardly any of the weapons are uber like in other games, so if you want to piss actual cash on them knock yourself out. Why not pay somone else to play the game for you? It's a game and if you don't enjoy playing it then why bother?

mabey a better word would be tangable? that doesnt change the fact that the rules are in place for a reason this one is for a balanced eco. dont think that it will be just items, gold is now sought after if ebaying grows then honest players will be screwed. much as gold farmers have killed the wow eco the same can happen here

and i like the fact that you didnt resort to atacking people

Cult_Of_One · Apr 07, 2005, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Kinda hard to argue with a dictionary definition Kain, lol. Anyways...I don't see the problem with someone spending their hard earned (or maybe not so hard earned) money on an item (or a bunch of items) that may (or may not) actually exist(by exist, I mean physically exist). What's the difference if I go to ebay and buy such item(s) with $$$, or I buy the game with $$$ and end up finding the very same item(s)? In the end, I'm still spending $$$ right?

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Cult_Of_One

Kinda hard to argue with a dictionary definition Kain, lol. Anyways...I don't see the problem with someone spending their hard earned (or maybe not so hard earned) money on an item (or a bunch of items) that may (or may not) actually exist(by exist, I mean physically exist). What's the difference if I go to ebay and buy such item(s) with $$$, or I buy the game with $$$ and end up finding the very same item(s)? In the end, I'm still spending $$$ right?

its about the economy, and keeping it stable

Daemon · Apr 07, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

ha ha POP TARTS! omfg....rotfl....lmao....lol....WUT A WASTE...YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE OMG

...urm, uh *ahem* excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....*cough cough* oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain...

WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME

...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear...

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Daemon

ha ha POP TARTS! omfg....rotfl....lmao....lol....WUT A WASTE...YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE OMG

...urm, uh *ahem* excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....*cough cough* oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain...

WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME

...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear...

lol i tryed to drop it then i get on and.......................well i got pisst that i was being chastized. i do think that my point is valid, but i will drop it AGIN (and you do know that that was a poor atemped at a funny right?)

KainMagus · Apr 07, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

i dont know about you guys and girls, but if im going to spend actual cash money on a "sword" its going to be a real one and im going to chop real people on the train with it but thats just me

I dont know that this is the kind of game that the economy is easy to ruin, as items only help players a little bit. I like the idea of being able to purchase craft items and dyes, things that anyone could find but it takes time, somtimes alot of repetitive time, but i am not about to ever buy any in game item with cash. then again i did buy a second preorder pack and open a new account so i could get that damn bow cause I got the best buy one before i knew %@#@$

Apr 07, 2005, 07:22 AM // 07:22	#34
KainMagus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	existance I want one or all of you to define existance. Just the fact that you can buy it on ebay causes it to exist. Satisfaction is a manifestation of existance. Hardly any of the weapons are uber like in other games, so if you want to piss actual cash on them knock yourself out. Why not pay somone else to play the game for you? It's a game and if you don't enjoy playing it then why bother?

Apr 07, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56	#40
KainMagus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	i dont know about you guys i dont know about you guys and girls, but if im going to spend actual cash money on a "sword" its going to be a real one and im going to chop real people on the train with it but thats just me I dont know that this is the kind of game that the economy is easy to ruin, as items only help players a little bit. I like the idea of being able to purchase craft items and dyes, things that anyone could find but it takes time, somtimes alot of repetitive time, but i am not about to ever buy any in game item with cash. then again i did buy a second preorder pack and open a new account so i could get that damn bow cause I got the best buy one before i knew %@#@$

Apr 07, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55	#23
Inde Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2004	So let me get this straight - the EULA to you is the gospel of right and wrong? Did you even read my post and try to understand why people eBay etc? Sheesh.

Apr 07, 2005, 05:00 AM // 05:00	#24
Manderlock Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TX Guild: Crimson ScS Profession: W/N	yes i did read it or i wouldnt have replyed, no matter what the situation is it is still wrong if mis jane whats the sword she should have to work for it just like i would. i do think that you took my post too seriosly i didnt mean they should all face the axe just through that in 4 some humor. it doesnt matter what you or i think it is wrong and yes i try and follow as many rules as i can agin sorry if i made you mad

Apr 07, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05	#25
William of Orange Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin Guild: Thousand Tigers Apund Ur Head, The Consulate	I'm going to agree with the people who say that the eBaying will occur, since there will definitely be a demand by those people who are too lazy to wait for good drops, or just want their loot now. As for the whole "uber" talk, it all depends on playing style. Some people will have what the personally consider an "uber" sword, others might have an "uber" bow. Doesn't really matter, once you hit Level 20 what type of sword you have won't matter nearly as much as what build you're running/skills you're using. While I don't agree with eBaying your way to good items, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive." If that's how they want to spend their money, that's how they can spend their money. Whether or not others see it as a waste is irrelevant. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on video games/systems, computer upgrades, and Pop Tarts, and there are always people who would consider that spending a waste. So lets not get engrossed in that debate.

Apr 07, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12	#26
Manderlock Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TX Guild: Crimson ScS Profession: W/N	bah, i will agree that how people spend there money is there own buiseness, i will stand by my is wrong mind set however this argument is basicly two dif views, he wont convice me and i aint convicen him so ill just agree ta drop it and sorry if i offended anyone with the "soulnd be alive" coment it was just my sorry ass atemped at making a funny

Apr 07, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15	#31
Cult_Of_One Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	...spending hard earned money to buy a game that contains nothing that physically exists. Do you see where you've contradicted yourself yet?

Apr 07, 2005, 07:43 AM // 07:43	#36
Cult_Of_One Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	Kinda hard to argue with a dictionary definition Kain, lol. Anyways...I don't see the problem with someone spending their hard earned (or maybe not so hard earned) money on an item (or a bunch of items) that may (or may not) actually exist(by exist, I mean physically exist). What's the difference if I go to ebay and buy such item(s) with $$$, or I buy the game with $$$ and end up finding the very same item(s)? In the end, I'm still spending $$$ right?

Apr 07, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50	#38
Daemon Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Profession: Mo/W	ha ha POP TARTS! omfg....rotfl....lmao....lol....WUT A WASTE...YOU HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE OMG ...urm, uh ahem excuse me on that one...couldn't resist...Agreed that that is not a debate we should get into. It's safe to say that we are all correct in one way or another....cough cough oh no it's....hap..pen..ing ag....ain... WTS GODLY GODSWORD OF GODLINESS PM ME ...ack...ok I'm done now...I swear...